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What's The Dumbest JW Belief?

by minimus in

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i have to think believing in the blood doctrine has to be the dumbest, especially because accepting the watchtower view can kill you.

Pioneer Spit...oh, i mean Spirit

That the resurrected can never marry.

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Why did you choose the Alias that you did?

by The wanderer in

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why did you choose the alias that you did?

being curious about why people do or act the way they.

do led me to this discussion.

Pioneer Spit...oh, i mean Spirit

I pioneered for far too long. . . We had an elder from the south who would say pioneer spirit and it sounded like pioneer spit, this is from way way back when my mom and I pioneered together, and we'd laugh during the meetings at this. Then there was this older sister from Barbados who pioneered for a while and she'd spit out in service and as irritating as it was. . .anyways.

Now I see how well pioneer spit summed it all up.

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My UN email to my dad, he called the Writing Dept (this is long)

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date:tue, sep 26, 2006 11:47 am with good advice that i received at this site, i presented my questioning with a soft start... tell me what you think please.

yes, thank you, nice pictures.

i didn't recognize uncle ____.your place looks great.

Pioneer Spit...oh, i mean Spirit

Get a rope. More jibberish from my dad, likely nothing new-but in case anyone has forgotten any of the lingo:
Dear Catfish,

Remember I said how shrewd satan is. I was reading over and over, the application for obtaining a DPI-NGO admittance pass and I noticed that no where on the application, mentioned the criteria for NGO/DPI to become associated or include the following: (that you wrote in your letter). That info was on the "To Whom It May Concern" letter written by this Paul Hoeffel, Chief, NGO Section, Department of Public Information. The
brother I spoke to in NY said that when they filled out the application, they found nothing on it that would conflict with
our religious beliefs. Look it up and read it your self on the Internet. The one we have is the YEAR 2006 ACCREDITATION
FORM. At the time the Internet was not as available as today when they do not need to be present at their
meetings. Also because apostates were making such a big thing of it. You notice the letter, dated 4 March 2004, to whom
it may concern, was worded as tho the DPI disassociated the WTBTS.

Imagine if we got the truth in the days when the Society celebrated Christmas, used the cross, smoked, etc. Back in the days
when "brother" Franz was on the Gov. Body, many weird things happened. Later it was found out he was an apostate.
We have been warned that, because this is the organization Jehovah is using does not mean they are more than
imperfect people like us. Some day they might be disbanded, you never know. But for right now they are Jehovah's means.
You know we have always been told to look up the scriptures and not to accept someone's opinion besides the Bible's
written word. Look at all the things they said about Jesus. He went into the temple and synagogues even tho he knew
they were false religion. Then at Acts 21:26, the Apostle Paul "cleansed himself ceremonially and went into the temple" even though
he was not under the Law anymore. Why did they do those things?

How about when Peter denied Jesus and regretted it later, but Jehovah still used him as his spokesman at Pentecost, did you ever wonder how
many were stumbled over that? At another time Peter refused to eat with Gentiles, then the Apostle Paul called him on it.
The point is they were imperfect people and when they smarted up they made changes. Jehovah was still using them.

The thing to think about is, why did the society decide to terminate their association with the DPI if not for the reason I gave you? Another
thing, in Revelation, Jesus is pictured holding seven stars in his hand. They are the elders, who is imperfect, Jesus?
If you only knew some things I know you might really be stumbled. The point is, if we allow these supposed roadblocks to question the avenue
of our worship then we fall into the trap satan is using to undermine our faith. I feel that all should serve and always love
Jehovah, because he is GOD, we know for a certainty that he is going to set matters straight but only in his good time .

Do you remember that years ago, we all went to the YWCA for diving lessons? The ______s, us and even you. Why did we go?
Because that's where the instructor gave lessons. We, Mom & I personally will not shop at the Salvation Army thrift store, but
some of our friends do. Isn't the Salvation Army part of Babylon the Great? Everyone's conscience is different. You have a very
keen conscience and that is a good thing I think. What if you leave your drivers license at home? Will you walk home?

When the apostle Paul was talking about eating or not eating food offered to idols, he continued; "Keep watching that
this authority of yours does not somehow become a stumbling block to those who are weak", that's found at 1 Cor 8:9.
What did you think of Brother Swingle? Remember he stayed with us for a couple of days many years ago in Glendale. You spoke with him for a long time. He was just a man wasn't he? Made a lot of mistakes probably. Mom, Me, You, and Bobby as well as all people, are imperfect and all of us have and will make mistakes and fall short.

Again, like I said, satan is VERY SHREWD. Watch out he's like a roaring lion seeking to devour us. What will he use next? We have to be
careful in everything we do because he can turn something that might seem to be ok for us into something that can be a cause for stumbling to
ourselves or others, like in this case. There are things that your Mother and I have experienced and have been through recently and over the
years that could have caused a stumbling. You know about some of that when you lived with us but not other things since you left home. We have
always kept in mind that it is Jehovah God we are serving.

IT IS SO NICE to hear from you, even with your concern and questions. We take very seriously the things that you said that really bothered you,
even calling New York to get first hand info..

Sincerely, we hope the info we have written will clear up those things. Just have to accept that those things happened but are not going on
now. If we want to find fault we can. We know for a cirtainty, that it was the Faithful Slave Class that provided the information that taught us
Jehovahs' name and the wonderful hope that is in our future and they are the ones that Jehovah is using to direct his work on the Earth today.
Then how could you or we as imperfect people criticize them for making mistakes, remembering that they are also imperfect men ? Hopefully like
us you accept that they are Jehovahs' means for directing his congregation today.

We will always love you.

Mom & Dad

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correspondence with a jw

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trev and a couple of his ex jw mates are building an information website for local ex jws.

it's slow progress, but they are getting there, and have had some positive feedback for what is on there already.

however, he received this email from a jw earlier tonight:.

Pioneer Spit...oh, i mean Spirit

JWDAUGHTER:

Right on! Thanks for sharing.

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How long were you baptized?

by Alligator Wisdom in

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and for all of you that made your way out?.

18 years this past summer.. alligator wisdom (aka brother not exerting vigorously by wts standards).

[sorry if this topic was posted before.

Pioneer Spit...oh, i mean Spirit

19 years, maybe I'll get out for good behavior.

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On Pretending to Be a JW to Sell a Car (posted on Sept 19). . .

by Pioneer Spit...oh, i mean Spirit in

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i just read the many responses and i apologize that this was offensive to some, and likely not the right place for it.

however, the truth is, i am still a jw--i am an inactive, secretly hateful, bitter jw and i will soon da.

did i make known that i was a jw in order to secure trust with a client?

Pioneer Spit...oh, i mean Spirit

I just read the many responses and I apologize that this was offensive to some, and likely not the right place for it.

However, the truth is, I am still a JW--I am an inactive, secretly hateful, bitter JW and I will soon DA. Did I make known that I was a JW in order to secure trust with a client? Absolutely. However, it was an inappropriate time to tell these near-strangers that their religion is a snare and a racket, that the WTS was in bed with the UN for 10+ years and that they are being led slowly to their graves by the elders and the GB, and by the way when can you take delivery.

How often did we use the Reasoning Book to find common ground with people in FS and neglect to tell them that we thought their current faith or whatever path was based on ignorance and worship of men, or neglect to tell them on that first visit that they can't celebrate Xmas or associate with their families once they learn the truth.

I do sincerely apologize for this, it does sound deceitful; I hope these facts are satisfactory.

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For those raised as Witnesses ... What was your personal crossroad?

by The wanderer in

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untitled document  the crossroads in life there will be many times in which an individual.

will come to a fork in the road or to a crossroad.

question is?which road will he or she take?.

Pioneer Spit...oh, i mean Spirit

I grew up in a very active family. I never was DFd, reproved, I was the perfect 'above reproach' young pioneer at 18.

I still was the victim of slander occasionally, coldness, shunning, repeated scolding by elders, snubbing because I was a RP. Once when out in fs, an elder called me "Sisssssster" like it was the dirtiest word he knew, right then I stopped forgiving and tolerating, and seeing them for what they are. The doctrine and realization that I was worshipping The Society came 15 years later, almost 2 years ago, .

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whats the deal with long hair

by aoxo in

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to add to the previous thread regaurding beards i have a similar issue with long hair.

i wanted so long to grow it out but of course couldn't.

there is, however a scripture that baffled me, 1co 11:14 "does not nature itself teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a dishonor to him; but if a woman has long hair, it is a glory to her?

Pioneer Spit...oh, i mean Spirit

A problem occurs with the King James translation, where that verse says that if a man has long hair it's a sin for him, much heavier than a dishonor.

Ever hear of someone losing cong privileges over a dishonor? Do you see how handy it is to have all these other bibles around when we need to use them to banish someone who is otherwise good?

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What's the deal here?

by Jerohobobonadad in

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hello all, i hope this post finds you well.. i was wondering - the same hardcore dozen or so posters seem to be the only ones who reply to and start topics.

looking at the member directory, there are loads of members, but most do a handful of posts then disappear.

is there just a crew of regulars here?

Pioneer Spit...oh, i mean Spirit

It is nice to have many, many posts and new topics from many, many people. It's like an assembly, although it's actually unlike an assembly because I'm not suicidal afterward.

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Holy Spirit not in the Halls

by purplesofa in

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at at district convention, the speaker at the beginning, saying how we need to take notes.....listen, don't miss anything....sleep well at night .

no walking in the halls, hanging out in the halls.......... jehovahs spirit is in the auditorium, not in the halls!

you will only recieve jah's hs in the auditorim.

Pioneer Spit...oh, i mean Spirit

Come on!! There is too some holy spirit in the bathrooms. I mean, come on!